Curse

Sister Rosette · Nov 18, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

Right. Because it's not supposed to be fun or anything. *Laughs*

iridescentfyre · Nov 18, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Well, of course you have every right to run whatever build you like on the basis of fun. It just seems to me like most people here are interested in running builds that will get them into smart, effective groups that actually accomplish things because that's what they (and I) find to be fun. Thus I always jump at the opportunity to point out a build that isn't up to par. Run what you like.

Sister Rosette · Nov 18, 2007, 11:59 AM // 11:59

*Shrugs* Those 3 skills, supplemented with Earth Prayers skills and a couple tactics based attacks brought me through the last 50% of GWEN with no problem. Not trying to debunk your reasoning behind it though, I'm sure it's possible to do far better with fewer skill slots used up, but a Derv has a hard enough time getting groups as it is.

Qdq Swi · Nov 18, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

You would also be amazed at just how many sins and wars in PvP fail to stop attacking vs a riposte build......

Actually no, I wouldn't be amazed, infact I would expect it. Why? Cus the majority of sins in Ra and Abs are utter idiots. They go : OOOhh I LIKE NARUTO!!! WANNA BE ASSASIN! Which is totally understandable... But either way lets face it... Most sins in RA now are Deadly Arts Soj sins which isnt paragoned by ripostes.

Perhaps in PvE it 'Could' be usefull, but its utterly useless for 'general' pve and general Dragon Slash builds are probably more usefull in the event that there 'are' war bosses and what not.

And Aus parry + both riposted is just dumb cus the majority of people in RA are casters/ soj sins, there arent as many wars in RA as you would expect.

Body blocking isnt as simple as good communication or making good use of your suroundings. There are other un-known factors in both Nm and Hm that hinder body-blocking, hence its not that efficient.

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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

*Shrugs* Those 3 skills, supplemented with Earth Prayers skills and a couple tactics based attacks brought me through the last 50% of GWEN with no problem. Not trying to debunk your reasoning behind it though, I'm sure it's possible to do far better with fewer skill slots used up, but a Derv has a hard enough time getting groups as it is.

Now thats just rubbish cus anyone could probably finish 100% of Eotn just with decent heroes and Ursan Blessing.

P.s. Now if you do play as an assasin and are offended by this post... TOUGH. Cus I myself play as an assasin and know WHEN to stop attacking, especially if ip, ss, price of failure and reckless haste are on me all at once tyvm, with careful timing and half the brain to percept WHEN a war is going to use a riposte a sin 'can' switch targets or interupt their own attacks to save their ass-hides.

DeBron · Nov 18, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Our

I really don't understand you people but I'm going to continue to experiment with this build.

If you're not going to try to understand and accept criticism then don't post your builds.

Sister Rosette · Nov 19, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

Actually no, I wouldn't be amazed, infact I would expect it. Why? Cus the majority of sins in Ra and Abs are utter idiots. They go : OOOhh I LIKE NARUTO!!! WANNA BE ASSASIN! Which is totally understandable... But either way lets face it... Most sins in RA now are Deadly Arts Soj sins which isnt paragoned by ripostes.

Perhaps in PvE it 'Could' be usefull, but its utterly useless for 'general' pve and general Dragon Slash builds are probably more usefull in the event that there 'are' war bosses and what not.

And Aus parry + both riposted is just dumb cus the majority of people in RA are casters/ soj sins, there arent as many wars in RA as you would expect.

Body blocking isnt as simple as good communication or making good use of your suroundings. There are other un-known factors in both Nm and Hm that hinder body-blocking, hence its not that efficient.

Now thats just rubbish cus anyone could probably finish 100% of Eotn just with decent heroes and Ursan Blessing.

P.s. Now if you do play as an assasin and are offended by this post... TOUGH. Cus I myself play as an assasin and know WHEN to stop attacking, especially if ip, ss, price of failure and reckless haste are on me all at once tyvm, with careful timing and half the brain to percept WHEN a war is going to use a riposte a sin 'can' switch targets or interupt their own attacks to save their ass-hides.

Odd...I never said I play that skill combo in PvP....but okay then. Also, as long as we're being snippy, how does one complete 100% of EOTN with Ursan Blessing when you have to complete the Nornbear Quests, as well as the Bear Spirit quests before you even have ACCESS to it?

Also, if you're just gonna Ursanway through GWEN, why bother?

Qdq Swi · Nov 19, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

Odd...I never said I play that skill combo in PvP....but okay then. Also, as long as we're being snippy, how does one complete 100% of EOTN with Ursan Blessing when you have to complete the Nornbear Quests, as well as the Bear Spirit quests before you even have ACCESS to it?

Also, if you're just gonna Ursanway through GWEN, why bother?

Getting access to the quest and completing the quests/ missions before that are... well easy. Honestly you could probably just do it with decent heroes... Any build would work... Sever - Gash - Final Thrust to the nornbear quest... Which IS an easy quest...

I dunno I gave ursan as an easy alternative. Ive never even completed GWEN on one char... Ive done norn on my war, asuran on my necro and vanguard on my assasin, I wouldnt bother doing GWEN anyway.

But if you are going to ursanway through GWEN atleast you get to do some decent dungeons and get semi-decent loot.

Sister Rosette · Nov 19, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

So you haven't even beaten GWEN and you're telling someone else what would or wouldn't work in later missions? Nice.

Snow Bunny · Nov 19, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

So you haven't even beaten GWEN and you're telling someone else what would or wouldn't work in later missions? Nice.

If something works in PvE, it really isn't indicative of any sort of skill or efficiency.

The build of the OP is awful, and riposte will always be bad, no matter what.

Unless, of course, you're monking, and you think it's funny to carry deadly riposte and gash on your bar; hilarity generally ensues.

Qdq Swi · Nov 19, 2007, 06:10 PM // 18:10

I dont spend my time on it, Im far too busy doing other things. Ive done the majority of GWEN just not the end of it lol. People say its far too short and far too easy... Although you may need a PuG here and there for some of the missions. Il get round to doing it when I have the spare time... But theres not much urging me to do so.

glountz · Nov 19, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Dragon slash-"For Great Justice"-"Save Yourselves!" builds are so much better. So much.

Brian the Gladiator · Nov 19, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

You really need gash in the build. Deep Wound is the best condition ever and you should bring it on any melee class skill bar IMO.

[skill]Crippling Slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]"Shields Up!"[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]Death Pact Signet[/skill]

Attributes:
Swordsmanship --> 12+1+1 (14)
Tactics --> 10+1 (11)
Strength -->8+1 (9)

The reason why this build is better than the one you posted is:
1)Gash should be on every Sword Warrior skill bar because deep wound is sooooooo good.

2)This build offers party support with "Shields Up!" "Watch Yourself!". Some form of party support should be on almost every person in the group.

3)Death Pact Signet is the best Resurrection skill in the game when it is not a Mesmer with Fast Casting or an Elementalist with [skill=text]Glyph of Sacrifice[/skill].

EDIT: This is for PvE and assuming you don't have PvE skills at your disposal

iridescentfyre · Nov 19, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

So you haven't even beaten GWEN and you're telling someone else what would or wouldn't work in later missions? Nice.

Well, I've beaten EotN twice now, and I can attest that even in the later missions, you're mostly on hero/henchman-powered autopilot like everywhere else in Normal Mode PvE.